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Can a treaty actually stop the race to superintelligence?

MIRI CEO Malo Bourgon says yes: a US and China led agreement capping training compute, monitoring AI chips, and buying time for alignment work.

Video published 2026-05-19 · 102:50 · watch on YouTube

The short answer

Malo Bourgon runs the Machine Intelligence Research Institute, and his answer is that a treaty could work, though he admits it would be a large intervention. MIRI has drafted an international agreement with actual article text, and the version Bourgon talks about most right now is a bilateral deal between the United States and China that pulls a coalition of other countries in with them. It takes the shape of nuclear non-proliferation: consolidate AI chips into large data centers that are monitored, cap how much compute can go into training any single model, watch the training runs in a band below that cap, and restrict certain kinds of capability research outright. Bourgon says the leverage exists because the supply chain is narrow, with about three companies designing the chips, roughly 90 percent of them manufactured at TSMC in Taiwan, and one company in the Netherlands, ASML, making the machines that make them. The goal he describes is not to stop AI but to pump the brakes on the frontier long enough for the science of steering these systems to catch up. He is also candid that the draft came from a small team of researchers and would need real diplomats and verification experts to become anything more than a first start.

Step by step

  1. Read the agreement before you argue with it

    MIRI's governance team publishes its work at techgov.intelligence.org, and Bourgon says the paper on preventing the premature creation of superintelligence includes literal article text for the main parts of the agreement, plus the precedents and motivations behind them. Most of the objections he hears are aimed at a version of the proposal that is not what is written down. Start with the document.

  2. Check the thresholds against your own life

    Bourgon says the agreement sets an amount of compute an individual can simply have with no monitoring at all, roughly 500,000 dollars worth of chips, which he describes as 16 H100 equivalents at the time it was written. Above that sits a monitored band, and above that a hard cap on training runs. If your reaction is that nobody can tell you what to do with your MacBook, he says that is not what the proposal says.

  3. Call your representative's office

    Bourgon has been meeting with members and their staff for a couple of years, and he says many of them tell him the raw number of calls on an issue genuinely matters. He also says most people never call about the things they care about. A sustained trickle of constituents saying this is real is, in his words, an undervalued way to actually do something.

  4. Say something even if you are not an expert

    You do not have to pretend to be an expert, Bourgon says. You can point at the fact that the CEOs running these companies and two of the three so-called godfathers of deep learning take the risk seriously, and ask why the rest of us should not. He thinks the field is close to a jam breaking, where each person who speaks up makes it easier for the next one.

  5. Talk to the people already around you

    Nick's example in the episode is his own father-in-law, who uses the tools but had never heard how the systems are grown rather than programmed. Bourgon's view is that the sum of millions of small individual actions is what moves the zeitgeist, and that most people have not engaged simply because they are busy. Conversations with neighbors and friends count.

  6. Keep it peaceful, full stop

    Asked about the two attacks on Sam Altman, Bourgon called them reprehensible and also ineffective. His argument is that violence makes it harder for people worried about this to be taken seriously and reduces the credibility of the concerns. If anyone is running a clever consequentialist argument for it, he says, they are wrong.

  7. Use the act page if you want a script

    Bourgon points to the website for the book If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies, which he says has an act page where people can sign up and work out how to contact their member of Congress. MIRI itself is at intelligence.org, and the governance work sits on the techgov subdomain.

“Letting it rip is not an option.”

Malo Bourgon, in the episode

Key moments

Questions people ask

What is MIRI's proposed AI treaty?

It is a drafted international agreement, written by MIRI's governance team, aimed at preventing the premature creation of superintelligence. Bourgon describes it as non-proliferation in style: consolidate AI chips into monitored data centers, cap training compute, monitor training runs below the cap, and restrict certain capability research. He says it would likely be paired with a centralized effort to solve the underlying scientific problems, so the restrictions do not have to last forever.

Who would have to agree to it for it to work?

MIRI has written more than one framing. One is a multilateral version built around international institutions. The one Bourgon says they talk about most at the moment, given the current administration's perspective, is a bilateral agreement between the United States and China that then forms a coalition of other countries around it.

What compute limit does the treaty set?

Bourgon says the agreement sets a cap of 10 to the 24 floating point operations for any single training run, which he acknowledges is a fairly low bound since models are already trained above it. Below that, a narrower band from 10 to the 22 up to 10 to the 24 would be monitored with verification and enforcement mechanisms. The cap is set low on purpose, because algorithmic efficiency keeps making it possible to reach the same capability with less compute.

Would an AI treaty ban personal GPUs or my laptop?

No, and Bourgon addresses this objection directly. The agreement names an amount of compute an individual can hold with no monitoring, which he puts at around 500,000 dollars worth of chips, described as 16 H100 equivalents when the proposal was written. He says the restrictions target a very specific class of activity with a fairly large collection of chips, not consumer hardware.

How would anyone actually enforce a treaty on AI?

Bourgon's argument is that the inputs are unusually easy to get a grip on. Training a frontier model currently needs data centers with more than 100,000 chips running for months on the power of a small city, only about three companies design those chips, roughly 90 percent are manufactured at TSMC in Taiwan, and only ASML in the Netherlands makes the machines that manufacture them. Finding the majority of those chips and putting them under a monitoring regime would be a lot of work, he says, but far less than World War Two levels of effort.

Wouldn't a treaty just push AI development underground and slow the honest actors?

Nick puts that objection to him directly. Bourgon does not dismiss it. He says the thresholds are set so that a hidden actor should not be able to assemble enough compute for dangerous training, that some of the research restrictions exist specifically to raise the cost of going underground, and that MIRI recently updated the agreement after running research on distributed training trends. He also says dark data centers are a real worry, while adding that very large data centers are hard to hide and intelligence agencies are good at finding them.

Is this really like nuclear non-proliferation?

Partly, and Bourgon names the ways it is not. With nuclear weapons the danger was demonstrated immediately and everyone agreed on the threat, whereas with AI there is no superintelligence sitting there for people to be scared of, and by the time there is, he says, you are already in trouble. Nuclear also lacked the enormous economic pull that AI has. The strong analogy, in his view, is controlling the physical inputs, and he argues the AI inputs are actually more concentrated than uranium and centrifuges.

Does the treaty stop all AI development?

No. Bourgon says the restriction targets one narrow thing, the race toward ever more generally capable frontier systems, while trying to keep space for everything else people want to do with AI. He does not undersell the cost, saying there will probably be useful systems that never get trained under such a regime, and that taking all the chips into a monitoring scheme is a significant intervention.

Why does Malo Bourgon think an AI treaty is achievable?

He points to the 1950s, when plenty of smart people thought nuclear proliferation and another world war were simply inevitable, and it did not play out that way. He tells the story of Reagan watching the TV film The Day After, being shaken by it, and later meeting Gorbachev. His read on policymakers is similar: most have not engaged deeply because they are busy, and when they do, many of them find the concerns to be common sense.

What does he mean when he says the doomers are the optimists?

It is his reframe of the doomer versus accelerationist split. On his account, the accelerationist position holds that the race is inevitable and the only way out is through, so you let it rip and hope problems get fixed along the way. The people labeled doomers, he says, believe the world can actually rise to the occasion and govern this, which he considers the more optimistic of the two beliefs.

Why draw the line now instead of waiting until AI is clearly dangerous?

Because Bourgon says nobody can predict where the threshold is. He cites a Wright brother saying heavier than air flight was a thousand years off two years before doing it, and Rutherford dismissing atomic power the day before Leo Szilard worked it out. He also points to a cyber capable model Anthropic released privately, which he says jumped in one generation from mildly helpful to better than most security professionals at finding software vulnerabilities. His answer to when we should stop is as soon as possible, and he says he does not love that answer.

Why is automated AI research the threshold he keeps naming?

Bourgon says the companies are openly aiming at AI systems that can do the research and development of AI itself, and that they talk about one to three years to reach it. What worries him is that this is an internal deployment question, not a product launch, so there is no responsible disclosure moment and outsiders might not see it happen. He says he wishes governments were tracking progress toward it much more closely.

This guide is drawn from a full conversation on the show.

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