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Does trauma define you? Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman on the victim mindset

Kaufman says being victimized is real and separate from a victim mindset, and that you still get a say in what happens next.

Video published 2025-05-22 · 47:51 · watch on YouTube

The short answer

On The Nick Standlea Show, Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman argues that what happened to you is real, and it is not the same thing as a victim mindset. He draws the line carefully: you can have been genuinely victimized and not carry a victim mindset, and you can carry a victim mindset without having been victimized. What he calls a victim mindset is blaming every problem on outside circumstances, declining responsibility for your own actions and reactions, and staying locked on the past instead of on what could come next. His book Rise Above is not a denial that terrible things happen to people. As he puts it in the episode, people are allowed to have a future even if their past was awful. The practical move he offers is borrowed from improv: yes, that happened, and here is what I am doing now.

Step by step

  1. Separate what happened from the mindset

    Kaufman is precise about this. Being victimized is a fact about your life. A victim mindset is a pattern of blaming everything outside you, refusing responsibility for your reactions, and circling the past. He says you can have one without the other, in either direction. Naming which one you are dealing with is the first step, and it is not a judgment about how bad your experience was.

  2. Try a yes-and instead of a no

    In improv you take what you are handed and build on it rather than shutting it down. Kaufman applies that to a life story. Yes, this happened to me, and there is more to me than what happened to me. He describes that as far more empowering than an either-or story where the event is the whole account of who you are.

  3. Move the question from why to now what

    Kaufman says the mindset he is describing keeps people fixed on the past victimization and on settling scores, so they rarely get to solutions. Nick puts it the same way in the episode: the book is less interested in what happened and more interested in what you do next. Asking now what is a small change that points you forward.

  4. Stop waiting for someone to come save you

    Kaufman was in special education until ninth grade. A substitute teacher he had never met pulled him aside and asked what he was still doing there. She never told him to leave. He says the moment made him realize no one was coming to save him, and he pushed to get himself out.

  5. Test yourself outside the label

    Once out of special ed, Kaufman found things nobody had guessed at: he sang in choir, played cello, became a Latin scholar, and won his school's music department award. He says everyone has talents they do not know they have. The only way to find out is to take on things the old label said you could not do.

  6. Notice when the reward is pulling you

    Kaufman says the social media landscape sends victimhood identity straight to the top, and that saying you are having a good day gets no traction at all. He admits he feels that pull himself on a boring day. What keeps him off it is having values he cares about more than the follower count.

  7. Treat sensitivity as an instrument, not a fragility

    Kaufman says there is no dichotomy between sensitive and strong, and he wants the stigma against sensitive men gone. Nick compares sensitivity to a measuring instrument that picks up the emotional landscape around you and can get overloaded by too much input. Both describe the same use for it: attention, creativity, and being the kind of person others can talk to honestly.

  8. Watch what the word trauma is doing in a sentence

    Nick raises the worry that the word now stretches to cover almost anything, which leaves people who have been through something severe without language for it. Kaufman agrees that it has a clinical meaning and says the everyday use often works as a way to assign blame and get out from under responsibility for how you behaved. Neither of them is arguing that serious trauma is rare or small.

“It's much more empowering to yes and your life.”

Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman, in the episode

Key moments

Questions people ask

what is a victim mindset

Kaufman defines it in the episode as blaming all your problems on outside circumstances, whether that is a bad hand in life or a person or group you believe is holding you back. It comes with believing you do not have to take responsibility for your actions or reactions because of past trauma, and with ruminating on the past victimization. He says people in it fixate on revenge and rarely get to solutions or to moving forward.

can you be a real victim without having a victim mindset

Yes, and Kaufman makes a point of saying so early in the conversation. You can have been legitimately victimized and not have a victim mindset. You can also have a victim mindset without having been victimized at all. He treats the two as separate things, which is why he says the book is not denying that bad things happen to people.

does scott barry kaufman say trauma doesn't matter

No. He says explicitly that Rise Above does not downplay severe trauma and is not denying that terrible things happen. His argument is about what comes after, not about the size of what happened. Nick makes the same point in the episode when he says the book is more concerned with what we do next.

what is the yes and mindset

It comes from improv, where you accept what your scene partner gives you and add to it rather than contradicting it. Kaufman applies it to your own history: yes, this happened, and I can still move forward, and there is more to me than what happened to me. He contrasts it with an either-or mindset that stops the story at the event.

why does social media reward victimhood

Kaufman says the current landscape sends you to the top of the algorithms if your identity is a victimhood identity, and that posting about how good your day is gets nothing. Nick describes watching accounts grow on what is holding them back, then stall the moment they talk about overcoming it. Kaufman calls the pull seductive and says he feels it himself.

who is dr scott barry kaufman

He is a psychologist and cognitive scientist who teaches at Columbia and did his PhD work at Yale, which he mentions choosing over Harvard. He wrote Ungifted, about intelligence, standardized testing and the education system, and more recently Rise Above, about the victim mindset. He also hosts The Psychology Podcast and runs the Center for Human Potential.

what is scott barry kaufman's book rise above about

It is about overcoming a victim mindset and reclaiming a sense of agency. Kaufman says it is full of mindset reframes and small exercises meant to move people from an either-or view of their lives to a yes-and view. Nick describes it as a book that gives people tools and language for something a lot of us see in the people around us.

how did scott barry kaufman get out of special ed

He was in special education until ninth grade for a central auditory processing disability, and says he was bullied and widely assumed to be stupid, while inside he did not feel disabled. A substitute special ed teacher he had never seen before took him aside and asked what he was still doing there. That question set him off, and he pushed for the meeting with the school psychologist and administrator that got him out.

what is vulnerable narcissism

Kaufman describes it as a quieter form of narcissism where you feel entitled to special privileges not because you are the best but because you have suffered, or because you see yourself as unusually fragile. He did not coin the term but has researched it, and argues in a clinical psychology journal that it is a trait people in the general population vary on rather than something you either have or do not. Entitlement is the thread common to all the forms.

what is communal narcissism

Kaufman mentions it briefly as another variant, where the entitlement comes from believing you are the best at helping others. The stance is after all I have done for you, or scaled up, after all I have done for the world. Nick's read is that the moment you start thinking the world owes you something, you are off track.

is being highly sensitive a weakness

Kaufman says there is no dichotomy between being sensitive and being strong, and he wants to break down the stigma that gets aimed at sensitive men in particular. He says stepping back and seeing nuance feeds both thinking and creativity. What he does not want is sensitivity used as a reason for people to tiptoe around you and avoid real conversations.

has the word trauma lost its meaning

Nick raises the concern that the word now covers everything from a homework assignment to genuine lasting harm, and asks where that leaves people who have been through something severe. Kaufman agrees the word has a clinical meaning and says the loose use often functions as a way to find something to blame and be relieved of responsibility. He is talking about the language, not about people who have actually been harmed.

This guide is drawn from a full conversation on the show.

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